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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; March 24 in the Argentinean Blogosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; March 24 in the Argentinean Blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 05:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] At Blogsfera, Javier makes an interesting summary of some of the repercussions of what&#8217;s been published in blogs on the subject of the 24 of March, with links to diverse positions; from those who condemned the coup to those who complained about many of the things that were said. At Argenautas, they show &#8220;gratefulness&#8221; to the dictatorship for &#8220;defending&#8221; us by means of torture and systematic murder. MartÃ­n Varsavsky affirms that &#8220;Nowadays Argentina still has many problems, but I&#8217;m glad to say that neither leftist terrorism nor the terrorism of state represent a threat for Argentina anymore&#8221;. In Hechos e interpretaciones a long recount of facts related to the dictatorship enumerates companies that collaborated with the regime, and critically remembers the governments of Raul AlfonsÃ­n, who created the so called &#8220;Ley de Obediencia Debida,&#8221; which granted indemnity to active military, and of Carlos Menem, who signed the amnesties. In Mavrakis and Valdes they criticize the interpretation the present government concerning the facts of 1976. Setubal wonders about the political uses of this date, and also makes a critical lecture about the role of Kirchner&#8217;s government. Moebius focuses on how the communication boundaries were destroyed during those years. In Por la Libertad they indicate that &#8220;Why when they show pictures of the protagonists of the violence of those time do they choose so different frames and approaches? When one remembers the people in charge of the military government and its partisans in repression we&#8217;re shown photos of them with severe gestures and wearing their military uniform &#8230; Why, when making reference to the members of the armed gangs that always hurt the country from the extreme left, are they always shown as nice, with pensive gestures or writing? Aren&#8217;t there any pictures of this people holding guns in their hands or building a bomb? Funny, isn&#8217;t it? At Tirate a la Pileta also chooses to reduce the problem to &#8220;two sides&#8221;. &#8220;But the coin has 2 faces&#8230; The terrorists, those that began with bombs and protests to overthrow the government of Isabel de Peron, and then the face of the military before, during, and after the coup. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] At Blogsfera, Javier makes an interesting summary of some of the repercussions of what&#8217;s been published in blogs on the subject of the 24 of March, with links to diverse positions; from those who condemned the coup to those who complained about many of the things that were said. At Argenautas, they show &#8220;gratefulness&#8221; to the dictatorship for &#8220;defending&#8221; us by means of torture and systematic murder. MartÃ­n Varsavsky affirms that &#8220;Nowadays Argentina still has many problems, but I&#8217;m glad to say that neither leftist terrorism nor the terrorism of state represent a threat for Argentina anymore&#8221;. In Hechos e interpretaciones a long recount of facts related to the dictatorship enumerates companies that collaborated with the regime, and critically remembers the governments of Raul AlfonsÃ­n, who created the so called &#8220;Ley de Obediencia Debida,&#8221; which granted indemnity to active military, and of Carlos Menem, who signed the amnesties. In Mavrakis and Valdes they criticize the interpretation the present government concerning the facts of 1976. Setubal wonders about the political uses of this date, and also makes a critical lecture about the role of Kirchner&#8217;s government. Moebius focuses on how the communication boundaries were destroyed during those years. In Por la Libertad they indicate that &#8220;Why when they show pictures of the protagonists of the violence of those time do they choose so different frames and approaches? When one remembers the people in charge of the military government and its partisans in repression we&#8217;re shown photos of them with severe gestures and wearing their military uniform &#8230; Why, when making reference to the members of the armed gangs that always hurt the country from the extreme left, are they always shown as nice, with pensive gestures or writing? Aren&#8217;t there any pictures of this people holding guns in their hands or building a bomb? Funny, isn&#8217;t it? At Tirate a la Pileta also chooses to reduce the problem to &#8220;two sides&#8221;. &#8220;But the coin has 2 faces&#8230; The terrorists, those that began with bombs and protests to overthrow the government of Isabel de Peron, and then the face of the military before, during, and after the coup. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Galo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diego, hay que tener estomago para andar por ese blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diego, hay que tener estomago para andar por ese blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Libe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Libe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahora entendi, Diego, y me alegra y me alivia tu aclaracion. Confieso tambien que me apena bastante que seamos tan pocos los que decimos algo acerca de todo esto justamente en este blog, cuyo nombre es tan simbolico. Las formas que cobro la palabra &quot;desaparecido&quot; han sido muchas. En fin, el &quot;proceso&quot; sigue y seguira facturando por largo tiempo mas. Triste, pero real.

Gracias, Diego, por tu comment, y saludos a la family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahora entendi, Diego, y me alegra y me alivia tu aclaracion. Confieso tambien que me apena bastante que seamos tan pocos los que decimos algo acerca de todo esto justamente en este blog, cuyo nombre es tan simbolico. Las formas que cobro la palabra &#8220;desaparecido&#8221; han sido muchas. En fin, el &#8220;proceso&#8221; sigue y seguira facturando por largo tiempo mas. Triste, pero real.</p>
<p>Gracias, Diego, por tu comment, y saludos a la family.</p>
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		<title>By: diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miguel:
Es tal cual…y sigue!!!
“Pero la culpa no es del chancho”, Quien le da de comer?.
Memoria y conciencia, es algoi como para ejercitar desde el sentido comun, el problema que en este contexto mundial, no es priporidad…
Este afiche andaba circulando por nuestro rancho en estos dias...cuando yo lo vi publicado en http://www.derechosdeshumanos.blogspot.com/ yo conteste esto &quot;sarraseca said...&quot;
Calculo que ya han de haber visto el mea culpa hecho por McNamara ...
http://www.sonyclassics.com/fogofwar/
Si no la han visto es hora de ver esta movie, tiene que ver mucho con este post. 

Osea Miguel no te averguense mi post, que te averguense el ignorante hijo de puta que hiso el afiche, te recomiendo que sigas los links que sugieren el link que sugiero.

Sorry!!! si te ofendio y te lo digo de corazon...Nada mas alejado de mi seria querer lastimar alguien al que estimo en letras.
Diego</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel:<br />
Es tal cual…y sigue!!!<br />
“Pero la culpa no es del chancho”, Quien le da de comer?.<br />
Memoria y conciencia, es algoi como para ejercitar desde el sentido comun, el problema que en este contexto mundial, no es priporidad…<br />
Este afiche andaba circulando por nuestro rancho en estos dias&#8230;cuando yo lo vi publicado en <a href="http://www.derechosdeshumanos.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.derechosdeshumanos.blogspot.com/</a> yo conteste esto &#8220;sarraseca said&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Calculo que ya han de haber visto el mea culpa hecho por McNamara &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.sonyclassics.com/fogofwar/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sonyclassics.com/fogofwar/</a><br />
Si no la han visto es hora de ver esta movie, tiene que ver mucho con este post. </p>
<p>Osea Miguel no te averguense mi post, que te averguense el ignorante hijo de puta que hiso el afiche, te recomiendo que sigas los links que sugieren el link que sugiero.</p>
<p>Sorry!!! si te ofendio y te lo digo de corazon&#8230;Nada mas alejado de mi seria querer lastimar alguien al que estimo en letras.<br />
Diego</p>
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